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Old 08-17-2003, 03:10 PM
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High-Tech Word of Mouth Maims Movies!

     
  

Fatima Bholat stepped into the summer sunshine, fresh from the darkened theater where she'd just seen "The Hulk." It was opening day, and the 16-year-old high school junior had rushed out with her younger brother to see director Ang Lee's moody take on the big green superhero.

Now she wanted to tell her friends all about it. She whipped out her silver-and-blue T-Mobile cell phone, pressed a button and did something that strikes terror into the hearts of studio executives:

She tapped out a message telling her friends exactly what she thought of the movie — and the verdict was brutal.

Fatima's pan was all her friends needed to convince them to stay away.

And they told their friends. Soon the chatter would end up in a girls Internet discussion group, where all the world could see what a few teenagers in Manhattan Beach thought about a movie.

Word of mouth — buzz — has long been an element in a film's success or failure. But rapid advances in technology, in the hands of an "American Idol" culture quick to express its vote-'em-off sentiments, has accelerated the pace of communication so much that Hollywood feels the reverberations at the box office almost immediately.

"In the old days, there used to be a term, 'buying your gross,' " said Rick Sands, chief operating officer at Miramax, referring to the millions of dollars studios throw at a movie to ensure a big opening weekend.

"You could buy your gross for the weekend and overcome bad word of mouth, because it took time to filter out into the general audience," he said. "Those days are over. Today, there is no fooling the public."

Widely released movies this summer dropped off an average of 51% between their first weekend and their second, according to Nielsen EDI Inc., a box office tracking firm. Five years ago, the drop-off averaged 40.1%.

The casualties are everywhere, and even mighty studio marketing machines have been powerless to stem the tide.

"The Hulk" opened with $62 million but fell 69.7% by its second weekend. "2 Fast 2 Furious" started off with $50.4 million but dipped 63%. "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" turned in a disappointing $37 million and then saw its fortunes drop by 62.8%. And the much-maligned "Gigli" was in a class by itself, plunging faster than the scariest summer thrill ride — a disastrous $3.7-million opening weekend, followed by a record-breaking drop of 81.9%.

Instant word of mouth, as a trend, probably traces back to 1998 in Japan with the release of "Ringu," Sands said.

The cerebral horror flick that inspired a U.S. remake — "The Ring," which was released here last fall — caused a sensation in Japan. And in a technology-forward country with lots of cell phones, instant word of mouth became the fuel that lighted that film's box office success. The power of instant feedback — good or bad — was immediately apparent.

"I remember it struck fear into the hearts of our Japanese distributors, because it was a new phenomenon," Sands said. "By the time people walked out of the theaters, they were instant messaging. And it is so much more pronounced now."

In the U.S. these days, the pace of chat is fast enough, in some cases, to affect a movie's box office results from its Friday opening to Saturday night.

"Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" signaled it was in trouble when it dropped 11% overnight.

(Conversely, a hit like "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" can show its mettle instantly; the Disney film, which opened on a Wednesday, actually went up 17.3% from Friday to Saturday, according to Nielsen EDI.)

Generally, though, Hollywood lives and dies by the weekend-to-weekend comparisons, which have fluctuated dramatically this summer.

And in the highly competitive summer months, conventional wisdom has it that a movie must keep second-weekend drops to between 30% and 50% to survive. If it drops more than 50%, "it's over," as one distribution executive put it.

"Today, there is just no hope of recovering your marketing costs if the film doesn't connect with the audience, because the reaction is so quick — you are dead immediately," said Bob Berney, head of Newmarket Films, which distributed "Whale Rider," a well-received, low-budget New Zealand picture that grossed $12.8 million and has endured through the summer. "Conversely, if the film is there, then the business is there."

The box office numbers seem to buck the perception that summer audiences are undiscerning thrill-seekers, easily lured into the cineplexes with slick marketing and the promise of big stars and glitzy special effects.

"Saying something is good is not good enough," said Adam Fogelson, head of marketing for Universal Pictures, whose "Seabiscuit" and "Bruce Almighty" helped bring the studio its highest-grossing summer ever, "The Hulk" notwithstanding.

"It has to be fresh or different or new, or a new star has to be born out of the film," he said. "I don't think simply a satisfying version of what someone expects will guarantee great box office."

Sometimes the bad buzz, fueled by sneak previews or even early advertising, starts swirling around the Internet well before opening night.

By the time the critics weighed in on one of this summer's biggest flops, "Gigli," the Jennifer Lopez-Ben Affleck romantic comedy already had attracted global condemnation.

"There were screaming headlines around the world," lamented Geoffrey Amer, head of marketing for Sony Pictures, which distributed the film.

"It spiraled out of control," he said. "People all over the world were communicating to each other just how bad [they thought] this movie was, and so it gave people reason not to go."

Added Tom Sherak, a partner at Revolution Studios, which produced the doomed picture: "Remember that theory that any publicity is good publicity? It's not true anymore. Bad publicity and extended bad publicity kills the movie that much faster."

For "The Hulk," the bad publicity began on Super Bowl Sunday.

From that point, when the studio aired the first ads, the movie became "a big green target," said Universal's Fogelson.

Some rabidly critical fans took their wrath to the Internet and began pushing "the urban legend" that the movie's Hulk looked more like Shrek or Gumby than the mighty green comic book character they remembered.

"We were fighting the word of mouth and bad publicity from the get-go," Fogelson said. "The Super Bowl ad provided a platform from which people could start firing the gun."

And then a pirated version of the film was downloaded on the Internet two weeks before its June 20 opening, providing even more fodder for critics. The picture's mixed reviews sealed its fate. "The Hulk" has brought in $130 million domestically so far — a number that Universal executives concede is a disappointment given that its combined production and marketing costs amounted to an estimated $177 million or more.

High-tech gear can deliver raves as well as pans. Only minutes into the raunchy goofball comedy "American Wedding," 17-year-old Nick Bateman demonstrated the powers of positive, instant feedback. In the darkened Washington, D.C., theater, his father at his side, he pulled out his metallic Motorola V60 cell phone and text-messaged his best friend: "It's hilarious. You really need to see it."

The film grossed $33.4 million its opening weekend, less than the first sequel's opening but more than the debut of the original film, "American Pie." Despite Bateman's efforts, though, the film dropped 53.7% in its second weekend — not terrible for the third film in a series but not great either.

The impact of instant messaging can be magnified, because its users tend to be Hollywood's favorite customers: teenagers, a group particularly sensitive to peer reaction.

"If one of my friends says you shouldn't watch this movie, then I'm not going to waste $10 to see the movie," Bateman said.

Some of this summer's biggest hits, such as Disney's "Finding Nemo" and "Pirates," showed the kind of staying power that comes only through positive word of mouth.

Paramount's lower-profile "The Italian Job" also did steady business from late May through the summer and has grossed $97.1 million.

And underdogs like the spelling bee documentary "Spellbound"; the non-narrative documentary on birds, "Winged Migration"; the British-Indian soccer comedy "Bend It Like Beckham"; and the lusty British-French drama "Swimming Pool" thrived on a smaller scale this summer because they got people talking.

Good buzz for Fox Searchlight's horror flick "28 Days Later" began on the Internet long before the movie was released in the U.S.

"Amidst the hype for all the blockbusters, we just kind of quietly put the movie out there and let the consumers do the marketing for us," said Nancy Utley, head of marketing for Fox Searchlight. "Consumers are banding together and protecting themselves from all the marketing out there. They want to know if the movie is really worth going to see."

Oren Aviv, Disney's marketing chief, said repeat customers and great word of mouth contributed to his studio's summer success.

"Finding Nemo" has become the highest-grossing animated film of all time as well as the most successful movie of the year, bringing in $326 million in domestic box office as of Thursday. "Pirates of the Caribbean" has grossed $239 million domestically.

In a summer characterized by slightly lower attendance, with movie admissions down 3.3% from last year — when "Spider-Man" ruled the box office — there's a simple lesson to be learned, Aviv said:

"Make a good movie and you win. Make a "bad" movie and you lose."
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High-Tech Word of Mouth Maims Movies in a Flash

By Lorenza Muñoz, LA Times Headlines -LATimes Staff Writer
August 17, 2003
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Old 08-18-2003, 01:30 PM
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This is so very true. I called it on the Hulk after I saw it opening weekend. I hated it and knew it would be big opening weekend, but dive after that. This is kind of scary for the studios. They better be more careful with marketing and also make sure they have hits or the movies will bomb quickly.
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This summer will hopefully be a wake-up call for all the big studios with their sequels!
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Hopefully the studios will quit trying to push out garbage like the Hulk and Gigli and hype it so much you don't want to see it. My rule....if they hype the heck out of the movie before announcing the opening dates, its generally a stinker that the studio has a lot to lose on.
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That is a brilliant observation! I totally agree with you!
If they have to play only selected bits spliced together over & over, it is probably not worth seeing at all!
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Goes to show that the paying public doessvote with their dollars. And amazingly, most seem to know a decent movie from one that is horrible.
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